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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">Chuck O’Neal, the <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Beaverton</city>, <state w:st="on">Oregon</state></place>, pastor who has recently gained notoriety for suing a former parishioner for libel, has found himself on the receiving end of a law suit—for the very same reason.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And while the defendants in O’Neal’s law suit have drawn considerable sympathy for being dragged into court by the pastor of a large church—presumably benefitting from the resources and good name of his congregation—O’Neal <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">the</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">defendant</i> faces a significantly more formidable legal foe: The Vatican. </span></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">Pope Benedict XVI, acting through the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>has filed a $1 million law suit against Pastor O’Neal for defaming the Pontiff, the papacy as an institution, and the Roman Catholic Church as an ecclesiastical organization, in comments he made to his congregation in a series of sermons preached at Beaverton Grace Bible Church in April, 2005, following the death of Pope John Paul II.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Particularly damning (no pun intended) were comments O’Neal made in an e-mail to a group of pastors, elders and layman just prior to these sermons:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">“May we unite in prayer that the pulpits of the world will indeed be protestant this Lord’s Day,” O’Neal wrote to the Shepherd’s Fellowship Forum in early April 2005.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“Declare, define, and defend the faith dogmatically.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Dear brothers, the battle rages.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Let us stand in the day of battle and be counted among the Lord’s mighty men by his grace—full armour on swords in hand shields up with constant prayer.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Rome</place></city> yet wars against souls. Let us war for souls, the gosepl of Jesus Christ, and the Glory of the true and only Holy Father.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Preach the whole counsel of God and the specific counsel of God.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Be not found wanting in the day of battle.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><place w:st="on"><city w:st="on"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Rome</span></i></city></place><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> yet wars against souls</span></i></strong><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><strong>.</strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It was that line that drew the ire of the papacy, and, in our increasingly litigious society, even the pope can only take so much.</span></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">“We’ve been on the receiving end of our fair share of law suits,” said Fr. Ottaviani Tarlati, the U.S. Papal Nuncio in Charge of <place w:st="on">Pacific Northwest</place> Operations.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“So to be able to sue someone else for a change is refreshing.” <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>When asked whether a law suit on behalf of one of the wealthiest and most powerful organizations in the world might lead to a backlash of negative PR for the Roman Church, Father Tarlati replied confidently: “Nobody looks as bad as this guy does right now.” </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">But speculation that money has nothing to do with the law suit abounds.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Before news of the papal suit broke, much attention was paid to the nature of Pastor O’Neal’s law suit against his former congregants.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Specifically, the suit was being characterized as a “SLAPP”: </span><span lang="EN" style="mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">A <b>strategic lawsuit against public participation, </b>in which the intent is to <span style="color: black;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship" title="Censorship"><span style="color: black; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">censor</span></a></span>, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a <span style="color: black;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_defense" title="Legal defense"><span style="color: black; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">legal defense</span></a></span> until they abandon their criticism or opposition.<sup><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></sup></span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">In some cases, the plaintiff in a SLAPP suit has no realistic intention or expectation of recovering.</span></span></div>
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<em><strong><span style="font-size: large;">“As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell on the floor dead. God killed him....Every time a Christian refuses to tithe, they're just like Ananias and Sapphira. They're lying to God and they're stealing from God. If God treated us this morning in this room like He treated them in that day, how many people would be wrapped up in blankets and taken out the back door [dead]. Think about it. Think about it.”</span></strong></em></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>the campus of </strong></span><strong><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Bellevue Baptist Church. </span></strong></td></tr>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "Book Antiqua"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Microsoft Uighur"; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-style: italic; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-size: large;">“Having people drop dead during the service can be distracting,” said Gaines in a rare interview.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“But on the plus side, it’s gotten folks really excited about tithing!”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Gaines reported that the first few weeks after Prove the Tithe Sunday were the most difficult, with 27 deaths occuring during the February 12 service.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“Our ushering crew really had a tough time.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The men in Acts 5 who carried out Ananias and Sapphira really knew what they were doing,” he said.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“But you’re only talking about two people.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What do you when dozens of people go down—during a service?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It can be very unruly.”</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">HOST: I beg your pardon, sir? <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Let me tell you something:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">not</i> your podcast! <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And as far as our V.I.P. caller, I suggest you get yourself a copy of <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 14.0pt;">TWWTG2WTF</span></i></b>, and that you do it ASAP. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You obviously need it!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Good day, sir!</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;"><em>One of the most vigorous in-house controversies within the Reformed theological tradition has taken a bizarre turn.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Pastor Douglas Wilson of Christ Church in <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Moscow</city>, <state w:st="on">Idaho</state></place>, one of the forefathers (and we do mean</em> fathers<em>) of the Federal Vision, has revealed that it was all an elaborate prank, one which got seriously out of hand over the past decade. Rev. Wilson graciously agreed to an interview with Sergius Martin-George, the Steam Tunnel<span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;">’</span>s Editor in Charge of Editing Operations, via Skype™, from his home in Moscow, Idaho.</em> </span><br /><br /><strong>SERGIUS MARTIN-GEORGE</strong>: Douglas Wilson, thank you for joining us at The Steam Tunnel.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DOUG WILSON</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Serge, it’s my pleasure.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I really enjoy your blog.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Really?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Because that’s high praise coming from someone who has written <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Serrated-Edge-Biblical-Trinitarian-Skylarking/dp/1591280109/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334162522&sr=1-1" target="_blank">a book on satire</a>.<br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: Well, you guys have done some really funny stuff.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Loved the pieces on Rick Warren, by the way.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Thanks. <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Rick Warren <a href="http://steamtunnelpilot.blogspot.com/2012/03/rick-warren-reaches-out-to.html#more" target="_blank">reaches out to extraterrestrial aliens</a>—I loved it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And the <a href="http://steamtunnelpilot.blogspot.com/2012/03/saddleback-haters-to-hold-conference.html#more" target="_blank">Saddleback-haters conference</a>!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Great stuff.</span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>A treatise on Christian satire, </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Doug </strong></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Wilson's book, <em>A Serrated Edge</em>, is </strong></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>required reading at The Steam Tunnel </strong></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>and is available at Amazon.com (</strong></span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Serrated-Edge-Biblical-Trinitarian-Skylarking/dp/1591280109/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334162522&sr=1-1" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>link</strong></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>)</strong></span></td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">SMG</span></b><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">: Well we definitely cop to taking a page or two out of your playbook, Doug.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And by that I mean <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Serrated-Edge-Biblical-Trinitarian-Skylarking/dp/1591280109/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334162522&sr=1-1" target="_blank">A Serrated Edge</a></i>, of course. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well thank you for mentioning that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But you know <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_tc_2_0?rh=i%3Astripbooks%2Ck%3AN.+D.+Wilson&keywords=N.+D.+Wilson&ie=UTF8&qid=1334165933&sr=1-2-ent&field-contributor_id=B002E4BLI0" target="_blank">my son Nate</a></span><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>is the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">real</i> satirist in the family.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Maybe you two should talk. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Maybe.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But for now, of course, we’re happy to have the elder <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Wilson</place></city> all to ourselves.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And speaking of jokes, Doug, I mean….this one’s a whopper, isn’t it?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Federal Vision.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Who knew? <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>(<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">laughs</i>). <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Sometimes things just get out of hand.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But you know, G.K. Chesterton once pointed to the salutary effects that the great agnostics had on him<span style="font-size: small;">—</span>the effect being that of “arousing doubts deeper than their own.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I like to think that promoting something like Federal Vision<span style="font-size: small;">—</span>while being completely bogus, nonetheless had an “iron-sharpens-iron” effect on the Body of Christ.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, on the men, at least. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Okay, fair enough.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But this was no flash in the pan, Doug.<br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: That’s right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Ten years. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And, I mean, you took a lot of heat for this.<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" /><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;" /><span style="text-shadow: auto;"></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I did. Well you know, Ambrose Bierce said that a Christian is one who believes that the New Testament is “a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor.” </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But 10 years?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Why did you wait so long? <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: Inertia, mostly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You know, P.G.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Wodehouse said, “It is a good rule in life never to apologize. The right sort of people do not want apologies, and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them.”</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: So what convinced you to finally come clean? <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: It was a cartoon, actually. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A cartoon brought you down? <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well I got “poped” in this one. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You got “poped?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s a verb?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW: </b>Yes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In this case, it amounts to being placed in the same league as the pope. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG:</b><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Fascinating.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But whose cartoon was it?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I mean, last I checked, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_tc_2_0?rh=i%3Astripbooks%2Ck%3AN.+D.+Wilson&keywords=N.+D.+Wilson&ie=UTF8&qid=1334165933&sr=1-2-ent&field-contributor_id=B002E4BLI0" target="_blank">your son Nate</a> does children’s books, not cartoons. <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"></b></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>by James Lawson (</strong></span><a href="http://reformationcartoons.blogspot.com/#!/2012/01/p-see-it-here-first-before-rest-of.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>link</strong></span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>) </strong></span></td></tr>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"></b><strong>DW</strong>: No, it was a young guy named James Lawson at <a href="http://reformationcartoons.blogspot.com/#!/2012/01/p-see-it-here-first-before-rest-of.html" target="_blank">Reformation Cartoons</a>.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>: And that’s all it took?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Must have been some cartoon! </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A picture may be worth a thousand words<span style="font-size: small;">—</span>in this case, it may have been worth 10 years and <em>hundreds </em>of thousands of words. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>: It certainly was an experience, Serge. And C.S. Lewis once called it, “Experience: that most brutal of teachers. But you learn, my God do you learn.” </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hey was that a minced oath?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>: Goodness, I don’t know how to answer that one. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: Well, then, can we ask you about some other stuff?<br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Sure.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m an open book.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No doubt a book published by Canon Press™.<br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: Touché.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: You’ve got a big talk coming up in just a couple of days. <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s right, on Friday I’m going to be speaking in <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Bloomington</city>, <state w:st="on">Indiana</state></place>, on <a href="http://jesusatiu.com/sexual-design-series-lectures-doug-wilson" target="_blank">God’s design for sexuality.</a> </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well sex and gender have been a major source of controversy for you over the years. <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>: Yes. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: And by pointing this up I’m not claiming, like Darryl Hart and some of the critics of your friends, the Bayly Brothers, that you are obsessed with sex and that it’s the only thing you really care about, but…<br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Thank you.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>: …but you do seem awfully concerned with sex <em>roles</em>, and the “Creation order,” which some of your critics have claimed is basically just an all-purpose excuse for hegemonic patriarchal masculinity. <br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Those are big words, Serge. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">SMG</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well I’m sure you don’t need a glossary.<br /><br /><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">DW</b>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>(<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">laughs</i>).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No, I’ve come across those before.</span></div>
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<span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><strong><span style="font-family: ""Times New Roman"";"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">SMG</span></span></strong><span style="font-family: ""Times New Roman"";"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">: But there’s a series of blog posts you did a number of years ago that I found fascinating then and I still do, and I was hoping to use this interview as an opportunity to ask you about it. </span></span><br /><br /><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-family: ""Times New Roman"";">DW:</span></strong><span style="font-family: ""Times New Roman"";"> Sure.</span></span></span><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>: Okay, the blog post is <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span><a href="http://www.dougwils.com/Sex-and-Culture/21-Questions-for-a-Prospective-Suitor.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">21 Questions for a Prospective Suitor</span></a><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">, and we have a link to it that our readers can click on so they can read it for themselves. </span></span> </span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-language: EN-US;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: large;"><strong></strong></span></span></span> </div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is a post you wrote to suggest questions for fathers to ask young men who are interested in <em>courting </em>their daughters, right?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>: Right. And I’m pleased to hear you use the term <em>courting</em>. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Got some pretty heavy-duty questions, here, Doug.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And we’re talking about questions for a kid who hasn’t even taken your daughter out on a date yet, let alone…</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>….a date? </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Oh, right—that’s right.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Dating</i> is a dirty word.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Not a big fan, myself, actually. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Okay, well, they haven’t even started “a-courtin’” and you’ve got the poor boy before a Grand Jury.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, wait —listen to some of these questions:</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">“Describe your parents’ marriage for me. What are the most valuable lessons you have learned from your parents? [In cases of divorce, or other severe marriage problems] What did you learn from these problems? Have you learned what not to do? [In cases where dad wronged mom] What did you do to support and encourage your mother?”</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">“If I were given a fly-on-the-wall glimpse of a typical conversation that you might have with your mom, would you agree that this will likely be the way you will be treating my daughter ten years from now? Why or why not?”</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>: All right, so far so good. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>: Really? “What was your GPA in college?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Are you kidding me? </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Actually, I kinda like that one, because it kind of gives us a nice break before getting back to questions like these: </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">“Do you have a problem with pornography?”</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I would hope that any caring father with a backbone <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">would </i>ask that. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“Is there anything in your sexual history that I need to know about?” </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">And then you list a series of items, which, you know, to me, seems reasonable.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>: But then it gets even more interesting: </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>(<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">sarcastically</i>) Hello?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>: Sorry?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>All right, we don’t have time to get into all the ins-and-outs of this whole courtship thing that you and the I-Kissed-Dating-Goodbye guy have been advocating.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>: Josh Harris. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Right, Josh Harris, thank you. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But all the problems of dating aside, you simply have to see that there are huge problems with this whole courtship thing and especially this <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">ownership transfer</i> model that you emphasize in </span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Her-Hand-Marriage-Biblical-Courtship/dp/1885767269/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334189678&sr=1-1" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: large;">your book</span></a><span style="font-size: large;">. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Oh let’s just say someone with a “robust interest” in micromanaging his wife’s sexual performance.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>SMG</strong>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And that’s the problem, Doug.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong>DW</strong>: Thanks.<br /><br /><strong>SMG</strong>: By the way, we’re talking about </span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Evangellyfish-Douglas-Wilson/dp/1591280982/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334194664&sr=1-1" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: large;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Evangellyfish</i>,</span></a><span style="font-size: large;"> Doug’s recently published novel—available on Amazon.com, including in Kindle form, which, I believe is at a discounted priced of $3.99 for the time being, by the way.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">The last few years have brought me a long way from my positive-thinking days—especially this last year. You probably heard that things haven’t been going over so positively with the church and the family.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We ended up having to sell Crystal Cathedral to the Catholics.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Not that’s there’s anything wrong with that, of course.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They’re very positive people.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But the kids have been getting a bit ornery, and I don’t think Thanksgiving at the Schuller home will be a big hit this year.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">As I approach the exit ramp of life, I’ve been doing a lot of thinking—and not all of it so positive.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I think I may have gone a little over the edge with this positive thinking stuff.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You know, a long time ago, I used to actually read the Bible.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But after a while, when all the Norman Vincent Peale material set in, it just didn’t seem like the right thing to do.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The Bible can be a real drag sometimes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>All that talk about sin, repentence, Hell.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Not the kind of stuff that brings in the crowds and keeps flowing the kind of donations we needed to pay for all that crystal. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">So I just want to say I apologize to Michael Horton and his radio pals.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I think you were right, young fella.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They tell me that young man went on to write a number of books.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s nice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I, on the other hand—well, I wrote some books, too.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I preached a number of sermons, as it happens.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I got Billy Graham to crack.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But I think I took this positive thinking thing too far.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I thought self-esteem was going to be the new Reformation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was wrong.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now everybody thinks there should be a new Reformation for this, that, and the other thing.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Self-esteem.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Positive thinking.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Maybe there should be a Gospel Reformation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now there’s a positive idea!</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><em>Seattle</place></city>’s finest and best known straight-talking, tough-guy pastor set off </em></span><span style="font-size: large;"><em>premature celebrations among his critics when he announced that he was stepping down from leadership at the Acts 29 network and handing over the reins to Matt Chandler. Chris Rosebrough, on his podcast </em>Fighting for the Faith<em>, cynically declared Driscoll's new status as "a promotion." Driscoll, who holds a bachelor's degree in communications from Washington State University and actually worked--</em>professionally<em>--as a journalist, went back on </em>The View<em> to try to set things right. Here's an excerpt of that interview.</em></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>BARBARA WALTERS:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Mark Driscoll, welcome back to <em>The View</em>. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>MARK DRISCOLL:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></strong></span>Thanks, Barbara.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>BARBARA WALTERS:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Now you asked to come back on the show because you had an announcement to make.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>JOY BEHAR: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></strong></span>I hope it’s to announce that gay sex is okay. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>BARBARA WALTERS</strong></span>:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Joy, please.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>JOY BEHAR:</strong></span> Sorry. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>MARK DRISCOLL:</strong></span> No, Joy, that’s not why. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I’m not sorry.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I am, however, stepping down from leadership at Acts 29 Network.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>JOY BEHAR:</strong></span> So what does that mean? </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>SHERRI SHEPHERD:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah, I’m a Christian and I don’t know what it means.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">MARK DRISCOLL:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, let me explain, then.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Recently, I sensed that not all was well in Acts 29. As my concerns grew, I recently resumed the presidency of Acts 29 to work directly with our network captains, most influential pastors, and staff. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It seemed to me that some of our relationships, board size and structure, communication, systems, and such were not as effective as we needed, which is to be expected to some degree in a large, complex, fast-growing entrepreneurial network such as ours.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>WHOOPI GOLDBERG:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></strong></span>What the hell does that mean? </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>BARBARA WALTERS:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Whoopi, please.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You’re talking to a reverend here; you can’t use language like that. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>WHOOPI GOLDBERG:</strong></span> Well what he just said makes no sense at all.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">JOY BEHAR: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></strong>Yeah -- and you know what?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m not even Christian.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m Jewish.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Actually, I’m not even really Jewish, but that’s another story.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And you know what?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I don’t really understand what he’s saying?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But it smells like bulls--- (bleeped out) to me.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Okay? (<em>applause</em>).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And it smells all the worse because he’s supposed to be a reverend. (<em>more applause</em>). </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>WHOOPI GOLDBERG: </strong></span>Preach it, sister. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">BARBARA WALTERS:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>All right, calm down everybody.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Whoopi, Joy: if you had any inkling to walk off the set the way you did during the Bill O’Reilly interview, now would be a good time. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>JOY BEHAR:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No thanks.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>We’ll stay. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">WHOOPI GOLDBERG:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Yeah.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>MARK DRISCOLL:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Ladies, if I may, what I mean is...to give you the Cliff Note’s version--I’m sure you made ample use of Cliff’s Notes when you went to college (<em>gasp from the audience</em>). Look, bottom line: things aren’t right, and I’m stepping back. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">MARK DRISCOLL:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Down?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No, no: I’m not stepping down.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>ELISABETH HASSELBECK:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No, of course not. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">ELISABETH HASSELBECK:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, I’ve been looking into the “situation” at his church ever since he was on the show with his wife last month (and no, I wasn’t on the show that day).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It just seems to me that there’s a lot of “bad juju” circulating in this guy’s congregation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So this talk about “stepping back” seems a bit hollow, to say the least.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">ELISABETH HASSELBECK:</span></strong> Actually, I think you do.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I mean, there are entire web sites devoted to telling the stories of refugees from your church -- people who are telling the most appalling stories of ministerial abuse.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Do you really expect us to believe you don’t know about them? <br /><br /><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>MARK DRISCOLL:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, of course I <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">know</i> about them, but you can’t believe everything you read, now can you? <br /><br /><strong><span style="font-size: small;">SHERRI SHEPHERD:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></strong>Of course not.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I read your book, for example (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">laughs from the audience)</i>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I thought it was crap.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>(<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">more</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">laughs from the audience</i>). </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>ELISABETH HASSELBECK:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>These are not wackos, mind you, or people looking for fame and fortune. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Most of their stories seem awfully credible, Mark.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Do you think these are just a bunch of liars, motivated by Satan, who are just out to bring you down?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">ELISABETH HASSELBECK:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well maybe you should take some time off to think about what you should, you know, think about it. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> (<em>applause from the audience</em>) </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">MARK DRISCOLL:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You’re not telling me I should step <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">down</i> or something, are you? </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>MARK DRISCOLL:</strong></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You know, maybe that’s not such a bad idea. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hmmm.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You know, maybe I’ll do that (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">audience gasps, then applauds</i>). <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">As long as I can remember, I just wanted to help people and serve the Lord.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I guess, in retrospect, I should have thought a little more carefully about who that Lord was and what particular form He takes, but I just didn’t think it through properly.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And things just took off.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Before I knew it, we were moving to <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Dallas</place></city>, the church was thriving, and I got to wear all these cool clothes.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>From there, it was hard to stop.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">“Farewell, Rob Bell.”<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So tweeted John Piper, at the publication of <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Bell</city></place>’s Hell-denying Book, </i>Love Wins<em>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In at least one sense, Piper’s tweet was prophetic—if you can excuse the notion of a “prophetic tweet,” that is. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In any case, Rob Bell did indeed bid his Mars Hill congregation farewell, and split for sunny <state w:st="on"><place w:st="on">California</place></state>. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There, he intended to take up a life of writing, speaking, contemplating, and Hell-denying. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But things didn’t go according to script.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>While strolling down the boardwalk at <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Long Beach</place></city>, the Emergent guru came across a different type of “bullhorn guy” in the form of street preacher Tony Miano. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You’ll recall that <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Bell</place></city> inveighed against a certain bullhorn guy in one of his hip, high-production-value videos.</em> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That <em>bullhorn guy was a drag.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He talked about Hell and judgment. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Tony Miano did the same, but this time, something clicked in Rob Bell’s soul. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So moved was Mr. Love Wins, that he asked Miano if he could take over the bullhorn. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What followed might be second only to the <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Damascus</place></city> conversion of the Apostle Paul.</em> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">“Ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank my new friend Tony Miano for lending me this bullhorn, and I also want to thank him for loving me—and you—enough to stand out here day after day and preach Christ crucified.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He could not possibly have been doing this for fun.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I see the reactions he gets day after day, as I’ve been watching him for a while now.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’ve been at leisure to do this because I’ve made a ton of money from my book, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Love Wins.</i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I now think that book was a big mistake.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">“I have essentially denied the Christian doctrine of Hell, and I did so under the cover of being a so-called ‘minister of the Gospel.’<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was nothing of the sort.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Whether I knew the Gospel or not—at one time I may have. I don’t even know anymore.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">do</i> know, however, that I’ve done a great deal of harm.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I am using this bullhorn—an instrument I have despised and degraded as it has been used by others—to stand before you, to repent, and to ask forgiveness, with all the volume this thing can muster.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">“There is a Hell, ladies and gentlemen.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I have denied this vigorously in my book.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And now I am denying my denial.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That I have minimized—and in some cases outright denied—the central importance of repentance and the forgiveness of sins in Jesus’ name—and the place of Hell as the default destination for all of human kind that does not repent and turn to Jesus for forgiveness of sin—is a terrible burden that will be with me my whole life.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I intend to spend all my remaining days making up for this egregious mistake.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I will be purchasing my own bullhorn, and placing myself under Tony’s authority while I undergo this season of repentance and restitution. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Ultimately I will write another book, recanting what I wrote in <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Love Wins</i> and other works of theological poison. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But for now, I ask your forgiveness.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And for those of you who have yet to do this, I urge you:</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">PIERS MORGAN:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Joel Osteen, welcome back to <em>Piers Morgan Tonight. </em></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">JOEL OSTEEN:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I just feel Pierce, that I need to announce that I have come to the conclusion that I have been on a wrong path and that I’m repenting and stepping down. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">JOEL OSTEEN:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, you know, I don’t tend to get all caught up in all that numbers stuff, Pierce—but yes, yes I do. I do have the largest church in the country. So, yes. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">PIERS MORGAN:</span></strong> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Wait, can I just jump in for a second?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s “Piers,” not “Pierce.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“Piers,” with a ‘zed’ sound. </span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">PIERS MORGAN:</span></strong> <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>No problem.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But what I think I hear you saying is, that’s not all you’re sorry about.</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">JOEL OSTEEN:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span> </span>I’ve been preaching a false Gospel.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In fact, I’ve been preaching no Gospel at all.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">JOEL OSTEEN:</span></strong><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, Piers, last time I was here you very accurately pointed out that you don’t hear me talk much about sin. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">Most of you are probably wondering why I’m here and not Paul Crouch.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After all, he started this whole thing!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hey—I’m from <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Israel</place></country-region>, man! And we step in where needed!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Paul isn’t doing so well at the moment; they’ve been having a rough time with the books ever since they hired that niece of theirs with her fancy-schmancy M.B.A.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I warned them about nepotism!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">Well look, let’s face it: I was fundamental (excuse the expression) in making TBN what it is. Paul Crouch?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Pat Robertson?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Nothing without me. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Secondly, I conduct fake healing crusades.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The people who Joel Osteen catches in his web are basically just positive-thinking junkies (blame Schuller for them).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But the people who come to my crusades are genuinely sick, disabled, and could have risen to a level of Christian maturity that very few people reach (just ask Joni Eareckson Tada).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But they lacked solid teaching. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I made sure they never got it. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">I hate to admit it, but the thing that put me over the top were these cool clothes I get to wear.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Custom made!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>After all, who else wears this stuff?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I actually got the idea for all this from watching the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Seinfeld</i> episode where Frank Costanza’s lawyer wears a cape. “Who wears a <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">cape</i>?” asked Estelle Costanza.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Great stuff, I thought; I wanna be like that.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I wanna be that man.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I want to wear a cape.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">A few years ago, I was interviewed by the Washington Posts’s Sally Quinn, for a series she was doing called, “Divine Impulses.” <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>She asked me the final question she asks all of her guests: “What to you is the divine?”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>My answer was pretty good.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I said, “To me the divine is the person of Jesus Christ. He is the beginning; He is the end; He is the source of life and sadly some of his representatives have not presented him as He is.” <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">Well, it recently occurred to me that my answer was complete hogwash in the sense that I realized I was much closer to being one of the representatives who have misrepresented Jesus Christ than I was to being someone who actually believed the statement I made. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>So I’m going to do something I never thought I could do. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m going to make myself scarce.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And to the extent that I do appear above the radar, it will be with the purpose of making restitution. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I’m getting started right away. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well, as soon as Paul and Jan get back.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I can’t abandon the studio in their time of need. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hey—I’m from <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Israel</place></country-region>, man!</span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">Despite my constant busyness and theological reading, I have had some time to think -- to reflect upon recent events, and on my responses to them. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’ve noticed a tendency to blame outside forces for much of the criticism I’ve received. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I really hadn’t considered the possibility that there might even <em>be </em>such a thing as godly critique—at least not where <em>my </em>ministry was concerned. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I mean, I’m <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">America</place></country-region>’s Pastor, for cryin’ out loud!</span></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">But I’m looking at things from a slightly different perspective now. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I think I may have reached a point where I became unteachable.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Maybe even unentreatable!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In fact, in that regard, I may have become worse than C.J. Mahaney!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Okay, maybe not <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">that </i>bad. </span></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">But look, the point is: there are some things I need to be taking responsibility for.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I may not have actually said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, but I certainly created a doctrinal environment in which a reasonable person -- a Chrisitan believer -- would have cause to question whether I really believed that.</span></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">The Daniel Plan may not have been all that bad a plan, but I shouldn’t have used it to make common cause with New Agers and folks who don’t really believe in authentic, Biblical Christian doctrine. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">So I’ve decided to take a sabbatical. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Mine will be longer than John Piper’s! <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And I promise not to write any books or speak at any conferences. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I am going to keep up on my reading, though. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Good stuff, only. And this time, I promise to read through Edwards without any big black redaction pens.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">In my first papal encyclical, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Deus et Caritas</i>, I wrote </span>passionately about the <span style="color: black; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">Christian life, which consists essentially in “charity and the preaching of which is called the Gospel of peace</span><span style="color: #222222;">.” <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="color: black;">But for seven years as pope, and for twenty-five additional years as chief doctrinal enforcer, I presided over a religious system that promoted nothing of the sort. In fact, I promoted a Gospel that brings peace to no one—and that, therefore, is no Gospel.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: large;">By the Grace of God, I have enjoyed greater health than did my predecessor, who, by the time he was my age, was dead.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>More significantly, though, God has granted me the blessing of living to see the error of my ways, and He has granted me repentance.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Accordingly, I will become the first Pope since Celestine V to resign his duties as pontiff, a resignation which is effective immediately. But I’m going to do Celestine one better: I am becoming a Biblical Christian. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">My journey to this moment began nearly twenty years ago.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The 1994 Evangelicals and Catholics Together declaration in the <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">United States</place></country-region> both excited and concerned me. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I was supposed to be the Panzer Cardinal, you see, and it’s tough to maintain that kind of position without raising an eyebrow over something called “ECT,” whatever it was supposed to be. <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">What are those protestants up to? </i><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I wondered. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">As top doctrinal watchdog, I had access to some of the <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Vatican</place></country-region>’s best toys.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is before the internet, mind you, so the idea of “downloading” your favorite radio show was not even on the radar screen, so to speak.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Anyway I liked listening to a radio drama called <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Unshackled</i> on shortwave.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Many of the stories touched me deeply; a few even made me cry.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I couldn’t stand that one guy’s voice, though.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I mean, who even says, “How do you do” anymore? The life stories I heard dramatized on that program—and the Biblical doctrine that undergirded those life transformations—nagged at me all these years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But then they elected me Pope in 2005.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What was I to do?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Well after about five years of being Pope, I realized it wasn’t all it was cracked up to be.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I saw how correct I had been to pray that the Lord <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">not</i> burden me with that assignment.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Ultimately, however, I came to understand that this assignment, and the organization over which that assignment called me to to preside, was not of the Lord, but of another source.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">As I said, by the time my predecessor was my age, he was dead.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m probably not long for this world either.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I’m afraid the stress of this event will prevent me from walking this Earth much longer.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But at least I can approach my death <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">knowing—not hoping</i>—that I will have eternal life because<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">—</span>and <em>only </em>because —of the death of Jesus Christ and nothing else<span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">—</span>certainly not anything I have done, for I have come to understand that I contribute nothing to my own salvation other than my sin. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For what little time I have left, I am putting myself under the spiritual authority of former Roman Catholic priest Richard Bennett of Berean Beacon Ministies in <state w:st="on">Texas</state>, in the <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">United States</place></country-region>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I remember Richard, or “Father Richard,” as he then was, when he refused<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>to come out and greet my predecessor John Paul II on a trip to <place w:st="on">Trinidad</place> in the early 1980s.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That really stuck in my craw.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">How dare he</i>, I thought. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">And so I step aside. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I will take your questions, but not here and not today.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I want to divest myself of all this gear first.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And no more of this “Holy Father” stuff, okay?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There’s only one of those and He is in heaven.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Oh, and one more thing: I want everybody to call me “Joe” from now on.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">Good morning (<em>laughs, applause</em>). Bet you weren’t expecting to see <em>me</em>, here, huh? I know, I know: a lot of you thought I was dead.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> (<em>more laughs</em>) Ha ha! I live! Alice lives! (<em>laughs, applause, standing ovation</em>) </span>Yes, I’m still alive, and in fact, I have been doing my living <em>in this area </em>almost since the Brady Bunch ended, </span></span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">having been part of an Episcopalian religious community here in Colorado since 1974. How many of you knew that?</span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">And I’m a woman!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Don’t see too many of those at these theological conferences, do ya? Unless they're "women's conferences" (<em>Ms. Davis makes "quote hands"). </em></span></span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And, as I look above, below, and to my left and right, I notice I’m the only woman in this grid!<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"></span></span><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">I’ve been approached by an ad hoc coalition of pastors, Christian scholars and theologians.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is bi-partisan in the sense that </span></span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">it includes both leaders who consider themselves </span></span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">complementarian and those who consider themselves egalitarian. </span></span><span style="mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">We still have a “woman” problem in the church and these leaders, who are anonymous for now but who will be coming forth shortly, desire to resolve some things. God knows, we've had our share of "declarations" in the Christian world these past few years, haven't we? (<em>groans from the </em>crowd). So what harm can one more do, right? Oops, did I just use a minced oath? Sorry about that. You know us Episcopalians! (<em>laughs</em>).</span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Cambria; mso-bidi-font-family: Andalus;"><span style="font-size: large;">Have you checked your Facebook page today? Chances are you’ve been “Timelined.” <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The space for that cute little profile picture has now been expanded to a huge headline-sized swath of your Facebook home page profile.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In newspaper terms, it’s almost half of what’s “above the fold.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>What might seem a mild inconvenience to some technophobes (many dragged kicking and screaming into using Facebook in the first place) may be, according to some prophecy experts, the first step in the not-so-long march toward the Apocalypse. </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif;">For generations, the Biblical study of the Last Days has been inextricably bound up with technology.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Hal Lindsey’s 1972 best seller <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Late Great Planet Earth</i> wouldn’t have sold enough copies to match your typical Xulon Press title if its author had not been able to place 1<sup>st</sup>-century apocalyptic prophecy into into a 20<sup>th</sup> century technological framework (his discussion of Black Hawk helicopters alone was a work of exegetical genius); who cares if, forty years down the road, none of it panned out?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Amazingly, Lindsey is still considered credible in some Bible prophecy circles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But his would-be prophetic successors have taken his game up a notch, even as computer technology has changed the nature of social interaction to a level no one could have dreamed of when Hal Lindsay was still working as a riverboat captain.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Cambria; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">“The words ‘EndTime’ and ‘Timeline’ have four of their seven letters in common,” he says (not taking into account </span></span><span style="font-family: Cambria; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: large;">that “EndTime” is not really a word). “That’s 57%.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As you will recall from the 2008 presidential campaign, <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">57</i></b> is the number of states then-candidate Barack Obama claimed to have visited.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That was no mistake, my friends.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Obama, who we have long suspected to be the End Time president, will preside over the addition of seven new <country-region w:st="on">U.S.</country-region> states in his second term: Puerto Rico, Guam, the <state w:st="on">District of Columbia</state>, <state w:st="on">Alaska</state>, <state w:st="on">Hawaii</state>, <state w:st="on">Alabama</state>, and <state w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Delaware</place></state>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The confirmation of these events will demonstrate conclusively that Obama is the anti-Christ and that the Apocalypse will soon be ushered in. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Runway </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Christian </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Center in Hershey, Pennsylvania, </strong></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>got </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>him </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>into exceedingly hot water.</strong></span></td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Paul Craw. But they agree that no youth minister </strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong><em>sinners--in the guise of youth ministry--</em></strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Center </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Senior Pastor Gabe Michelletti</strong></span></td></tr>
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<span style="mso-bidi-font-family: "Iskoola Pota"; mso-bidi-font-size: 16.0pt;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: large;">Craw says that he was aware of the recent scandal at the Glad Tidings Assemblies of God in nearby <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Middletown</city>, <state w:st="on">Pennsylvania</state></place>, in which youth group members were subjected to a mock kidnapping.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The teens had their regular youth meeting interrupted by several men who, in real life, were off-duty police officers, but who posed as kidnappers and proceeded to blindfold, bind, and transport them in a van to their pastor’s home, where they were forced to watch him ostensibly being physically abused.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In reality, however, the pastor was a confederate in the “role play,” which severely traumatized some of teens and outraged many of the parents.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Criminal charges may be filed. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">It now transpires that Robertson’s verbal <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">effluvium</i> is actually much more prolific and robust than was previously known. A CBN employee, speaking off the record, revealed that a recently-implemented production policy has actually <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">prevented </i>a number of Robertson’s colorful mispronouncements from reaching the public.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s right—there’s even more.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Much more. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Pat Robertson has a long history of controversial statements.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>More than a decade ago, he was criticized for encouraging the late Jerry Falwell’s pronouncement that the 911 attacks were God’s judgment for lesbians and feminists; the comments were made on the daily <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">700 Club</i> talk show just days after the attacks. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">More recently, his diagnosis of the 2010 Haiti Earthquake—namely, that it was a “blessing in disguise,” and a judgment for the nation’s deeply-entrenched cultural practice of voodoo—drew fire from many quarters, even from within the ranks of the Christian right. </span><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">But the last six months have seen an unprecedented frequency and outrageousness in his statements.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A September 2011 e-mail submitted to the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">700 Club’s</i> Bring It On segment by a man whose wife suffers from Alzheimer’s disease resulted in Robertson’s suggestion that the man divorce his wife and start all over. “I hate Alzheimer's. It is one of the most awful things because, here is a loved one, this is the woman or man that you have loved for 20, 30, 40 years, and suddenly, that person is gone. They're gone.”</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">On the March 6, 2012 edition of the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">700 Club</i>, Robertson declared that marijuana should be legalized.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Less than a week later, oral sex was declared to be within bounds, as long as its practioners were married—to each other, a statement purportedly responsible for a 20% spike in the sales of Mark and Grace Driscoll’s new book, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Real Marriage</i>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Then, just last week, CBN News anchor Lee Webb reported on the recent trade between the NFL’s Denver Broncos and the New York Jets, in which quarterback Tim Tebow, a committed evangelical Christian, was displaced by the Broncos in order to make room for the newly-acquired Peyton Manning, who had been released by the Indianpolis Colts after 14 years with the club.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As is his wont, Webb then turned to the boss man for commentary. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Unbeknownst to Robertson, producers and executives at CBN have been convening under the radar for months in hopes of dealing with the 82-year-old evangelist’s run-away mouth.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Though Robertson stepped down from hosting duties several years ago, he is still an integral part of the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">700 Club</i>, which is still broadcast live in many markets from CBN studios in Virginia Beach, Virginia, at 10 a.m. Eastern time Monday through Friday.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Following the lead of many talk radio and live television formats, who use a 7-second delay in order to edit out unsavory words and images, 700 Club producers decided to implement a 15-minute delay.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The vastly expanded time horizon will give producers a chance to excise the often rambling and complex statements by Robertson that have led to public fallout. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Long-time executive producer Carolyn Guthrie Barela says she got the idea for the program’s new “extreme delay” system from an unlikely source.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“I hate to admit it, but that’s how the Howard Stern show was produced before it went to satellite radio in 2005.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They would begin the show with a 15-minute head start, with a team of editors standing by, ready to take out the stuff that wouldn’t even pass muster with today’s FCC.” Barela says she had some reservations about implementing such a plan, but in the end, she thought this would result in the most good for the most people—and CBN, of course. “I’m not much for the genetic fallacy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A good idea’s still a good idea—even if it comes from reprobates.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">“It would just kill him to know what we’re doing,” Barela said. “And we want to at least see him outlive Billy Graham.” Accordingly, the new plan involves changing all of Robertson’s clocks and watches so he doesn’t know what time it is.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This required the hiring of two additional full-time employees, but Barela says, in the end, the extra expense will be justified.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">The benefits of the new plan were evident almost immediately.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Edited from the March 21 program was a news commentary segment in which Robertson held forth on a recent assault on Kim Kardashian, in which the curvy 31-year-old reality-TV star had a container of white flour dumped over her head by a disgruntled office-seeker.</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">“This is clearly the judgment of God,” Robertson said.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“And that flour was white for a reason: that young woman is responsible for a great deal of sexual impurity.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He then made matters worse by suggesting that Kardashian might be a little <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">too</i> curvy for her own good. “She should also think about switching to more wheat-flour-based products.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>She might end up losing a few pounds and feeling a lot better.” </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>ing </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>end of a number of Robertson gaffes; however, a </strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">“I was in the U.S. Marines at that time, waiting to go over to Korea,” said Robertson, despite the easily-checked fact that the Korean conflict had not started yet.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“A buddy of mine was drafted into the Air Force and stationed in New Mexico.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He told me that the Roswell crash occurred because the aliens who had built Stonehenge back in pre-historic times were coming back to Earth to make a routine maintenance visit—you know, to check on the structural integrity of their creation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And they specifically wanted to know whether it had survived World War II.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Needless to say, they missed their target —by some 6,000 miles, but hey, when you travel 6 zillion light years, being off by 6,000 miles is like parking in a handicap zone by accident.” </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Robertson saved the biggest whopper for the Monday, March 26 program, in which he finally revealed what God had shown him about the outcome of the 2012 presidential election. During his annual end-of-the-year prophecy week, Robertson claimed that God had shown him who the next President of the United States was going to be, but that he “better not tell you.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>He revealed, however, that for his 82<sup>nd</sup> birthday (last Thursday), God granted him his wish that he could now blab about it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">As many suspected, Barack Hussein Obama will be re-elected for a second term in November of this year.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But there’s more.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Robertson revealed that God told him that Obama will, in fact, go on to be re-elected for a third term, and then a forth, but that he will die three months into his fourth term in April, 2021, when he collapses at his family’s compound in Warm Springs, Georgia, where he will be sitting for an unfinished presidential portrait and cavorting with his former mistress, Lucy Mercer Rutherfurd.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt;">Mr. Levengood is deeply suspicious of my hyphenated last name—perhaps moreso because I am male. Tellingly, the Amish alphabet does not even contain the hyphen—a character associated with rebellion in this patriarchal and authoritarian culture.</span><br />
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<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt;">But the times, as they say, are a-changin’, and nowhere is the accompanying tension so pronounced as it is right here in <placename w:st="on">Lancaster</placename> <placetype w:st="on">County</placetype>, the iconic capital of <state w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Pennsylvania</place></state> “Dutch” culture and the Amish religious community that forms it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Technology seems to be getting its tentacles into everything these days, with nothing and no one remaining untouched.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Historically the Amish have been tenacious resisters.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>For example, my tour guide, Amos Levengood, declined to have his photograph taken for this interview piece.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Other Amish—both men and women—are much less camera shy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Some are even willing to be videotaped.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In fact, seven years ago, Amish youth were featured in a reality television series, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Amish in the City</i>, which ran on the UPN network.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It featured a group of five Amish youths living in a house with six “English,” modern American teenagers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt;">Most “English” don’t realize how varied the interpetations of the proper role of technology in the life of the Amish can be or <em>should </em>be.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It is vast.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And some Amish—mostly youth—are more liberal in their interpretations of technology than previous generations, whether or not they are public with their views and practices.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Accordingly, many Amish are using technology “on the downlow.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I experience this firsthand when Amos asks me to reach into the glove compartment of his buggy to get him some Chicklets.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>There, partially but not completely hidden under the owner’s manual, is an iPad 2.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I say nothing and hand over the Chicklets.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt;">An earlier wave of extramural yearning occurred some fifteen years ago, and may have presaged the current tech-inspired exodus of commitment to traditonal Amish values. The 1996 movie <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Kingpin</i>, in which Randy Quaid portrays an Amish bowling prodigy who is mentored by a washed-out former champ played by Woody Harrelson, had a big effect on Amish youth, especially boys.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Suddenly, bowling became very popular in the Amish community as many boys thought of it as their ticket out. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>One of them, Jacob Weissmüller, or “Jake 710,” as he eventually became known, did make it to the Pro Bowlers tour, and is now considered something of a young, Amish version of Earl Anthony. He continues to wear his big black hat while bowling—for good luck.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt;">The recent explosion of digital technology is making the current generation of Amish youth even more vulnerable to outside influence.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In Amos Levengood’s own community, it has produced a promising young Amish rap artist, Isaac Eisenhauer, better known as “D.D. Ike-1.” As it happens, my dinner companion, Amos Levengood, played an inadvertent role in Mr. Eisenhauer’s ascendance to the hip hop pantheon.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A surreptitiously-recorded iPhone video of Amos doing his impersonation of the local ward heeler at a community barnraising went viral, when Isaac and his friends dubbed some music over the video and placed an accompanying rap track, “Famous Amos,” over the video.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The Famous Amos in question was not amused. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt;">Unfortunately, some Amish youth have been acting out in less creative—and more destructive—ways.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Last week, Reuters reported—in a story that was picked up in the <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">U.S.</place></country-region> by the Huffington Post—another tale of Amish youth gone wild.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Four young men were charged with underage drinking after drag racing their buggies on the streets of <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Sherman</city>, <state w:st="on">New York</state></place>, ultimately crashing one of the carriages into a police cruiser.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Oh, by the way, they were drunk, too.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt;">“Wine is a mocker,” says Amos Levengood. “But the Word of God is silent on drag racing.” As we wait in the massive serpentine queue for admission to Shady Maple, I ask Amos if he saw or heard about the story in the Huffington Post. </span><br />
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<span style="color: black; font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 14pt; text-shadow: auto;">Hoping to seize on this newly-realized “need for speed” among the Amish, a group of enterprising young men convened recently in Ephrata, <place w:st="on"><placename w:st="on">Lancaster</placename> <placetype w:st="on">County</placetype></place>, to explore the possibility of giving organized direction to this racing impulse and perhaps legitimizing it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>As a result, a parent organization, NASCAR<em><span style="color: #cc0000;"><strong><span style="font-size: large;">t</span></strong></span></em>, was formed and named its commissioner, 27-year-old Hector Landis of Morgantown, Pennsylvania. An inaugural race, the Elverson 500, is planned for June of 2013. For those readers wondering how many years it would take a buggy to race 500 miles, rest assured that the “500” measures <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">furlongs</i>, not miles.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Accordingly, the race should take only about a year to complete. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">“We simply don’t like him.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And we’re jealous of his success,” says PASS founder and coordinator E.F. Dorresh of <city w:st="on">Hamburg</city>, <state w:st="on">New York</state>, just a stone’s throw from <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Buffalo</place></city>. “Like many of our co-religionists, we also think he’s watering down the gospel, cozying up to Muslims, introducing wacky concepts from Eastern spirituality, cavorting with New Agers (Mehmet Oz) and using as many different apostate Bible translations as necessary in order to get the job done. We predict it won’t be long before he stops doing that—not because of any reformatory impulse on his part, but because he will soon reach the point where he no longer feels the need to defend any of this garbage biblically.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Constantia; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">More than one thousand pastors, bloggers, and assorted troublemakers are expected to descend upon <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Buffalo </place></city></span></span><span style="font-family: Constantia; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">for <strong>Saddlebash I</strong>, to be held at the city’s brand new Ad Hominem Center, a $200 million hotel and conference facility located on the waterfront, April 27-29. Says Dorresh, “This place is brand-spankin’-new, so it’s the perfect venue for giving Rick Warren a spankin’.”</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Constantia; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">PASS was founded as an amalgam of several autonomous clusters of <city w:st="on">Warren</city> critics from various locations across the <place w:st="on"><country-region w:st="on">U.S.</country-region></place> The key challenge in organizing anti-Saddleback sentiment wasn’t financial or doctrinal; rather it was <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">coordination</i>: there are simply so many Saddleback haters out there, the prospect of organizing them was daunting.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">It still is, in fact. Controversy within the ranks of <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city> detractors is not unusual—as they are a quarrelsome lot.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Even the choice of keynote speaker for the event presented a major hurdle. Ken Silva, of Apprising Minisitries, a discernment blogger who has taken on <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city> in cyber space many times, would have seemed a natural choice.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But Silva declined the organization’s request, noting that the PASSing interest in him was flattering. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">“I don’t hate Rick Warren,” said the <state w:st="on">New Hampshire</state> pastor, whose congregation, like <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>’s, was once affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. “I’ve heard he’s a great guy—very cordial.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I respect his intellect, and his interest in solving intractable world problems is admirable.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But I can’t stand by and let him twist the Gospel into something it isn’t. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">“It’s not personal, though,” Silva said.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“Not at all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>And that’s where, I think, I part company with many if not most in PASS and other I-hate-Saddleback groups.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>They’re making us look bad, and playing right into <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>’s paranoid hands.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Looking bad doesn’t seem to be a major concern for PASS however, as they are not lacking in sympathetic figures. </span></span><span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Perhaps the most interesting if not the most inspirational character in the vast constellation of Saddleback-haters is Eric Epp.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A psychiatric technician and bi-vocational pastor from <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Stockton</city>, <state w:st="on">California</state></place>, Epp is dramatizing his antipathy for Rick Warren by walking to the conference—a 2,600-mile hike.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“The Warren Walk” sounds inoccuous enough, evoking the genteel spectre of a theologically-orthodox Johnny Appleseed.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But as E.F. Dorrish is quick to point out, Epp’s walkathon, in addition to mobilizing support for the Saddlebash Conference, <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>is also a barometer of anti-Saddleback sentiment in the hinterlands. “Everywhere he walks, townspeople come out to greet him. ‘We hate Rick Warren, too!’ they say.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>‘Go, Eric, go!’” </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">In some instances, Mr. Epp has been given the keys to the city by local officials. “You tell those folks in <city w:st="on">Buffalo</city> that Rick Warren might be the Anti-Christ,” said one supporter in Yankton, <state w:st="on"><place w:st="on">South Dakota</place></state>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“I will,” responded the 40-year-old blogger and psych tech politely.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Unsurprisingly, Mr. Epp, who has never met Pastor Dorresh personally, will be giving the keynote at Saddlebash.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>ors </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>are </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>expected to cross the border to join American </strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Constantia;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">The palpable, grass-roots wave of anti-Warren animus isn’t restricted to <country-region w:st="on">U.S.</country-region> soil, either, as recent events in <city w:st="on">Toronto,</city> <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Canada,</place></country-region> have demonstrated.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A small but vocal group of anti-Saddleback Canucks convened in <place w:st="on"><country-region w:st="on">Canada</country-region></place>’s largest city last month, and many of those same protestors will be making the two-hour trek south of the border to meet up with their American co-haters.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></span></div>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong><em>Why is everybody always pickin' </em></strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong><em>on </em></strong></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong><em>me? </em></strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Charlie Brown has a lot to t</strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>each </strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Constantia; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">Asked to comment on <strong>Saddlebash I </strong>and its organizers, </span></span><span style="font-family: Constantia; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">neither <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">America</place></country-region>’s Pastor nor his spokespeople returned phone calls from <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">ST</i> editorial offices.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But insiders, speaking off the record, suggest that the man is taking this all very hard. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">Many Christian believers bristle at the thought of changing their clocks twice a year, even if they can’t quite articulate why. Perhaps it</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">’</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">s written on our hearts</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">:</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;"> If the God of the Universe created time, who are we to fiddle with it—if only semi</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">annually? There’s just something....“unright” about the whole thing. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">While some historically</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">minded readers will have immediately thought they have identified the culprit in the form of that saucy Enlightenment deist, Ben Franklin, the roots of the ungodly desire to manipulate time long predate our Philly</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">based founding father, who </span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">advocated as early as 1784 for a form of Daylight Savings Time. </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>Inana, a.k.a. Ishtar. Most publicly-available </strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">“If Adam and Eve had clocks in the Garden of Eden, they would have been scrambling to set them back within minutes of eating the forbidden fruit,” says Kent Hovind, a 59</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">year</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">old young</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">Earth creationist, King James–only activist, and entrepreneur</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">gone</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">wild, who has had a lot of time to think about time as he is currently <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">doing</i> time in a federal prison in Colorado for tax evasion. “It’s just unnatural, and it speaks to the depravity of man</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">: </span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">the urge to change one’s clocks is essentially an idolatrous one.” </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Though clocks were not to be found in <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Eden</place></city>, it wasn’t long out of the box that <span style="font-family: "Bookman Old Style"; font-size: 16pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">conniving potentates were eyeing sun dials and other primitive time</span></span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">keeping devices with nefarious purposes in mind.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>In the Ancient Near East, King Nabunasir of <place w:st="on">Mesopotamia</place> gained fame and power for solving a vexing problem</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">: </span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">the sliding of the calendar due to inconsistencies between the solar year and the lunar calendar then in use.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Nabunasir’s brain child was the addition of seven “intercalary” months within every cycle of 19 years, thus rectifying the problem.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 20pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 16.0pt;"></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">The reference was to currying the favor of <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Inana</b>, a rather innocuous</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">sounding deity—that is, until she is identified by the more familiar, Akkadian name of <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Ishtar</b>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>That’s right, the same Ancient Near East deity that messed us up with all that nefarious Easter garbage also can be found at the end of the rabbit trail outlining the backstory of Daylight Savings Time. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">Richmond, Indiana–based prophecy expert Irvin Baxter, a sought</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">after conference speaker and host of both a daily radio program and a weekly television show on TBN, claims that the Biblical warrant against Daylight Savings Time makes all of this “ancient history talk” superfluous. </span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">“We read in Daniel 7:19, ‘And he shall speak great<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"> </i>words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">to change times and laws</i></b></span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">:</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;"> and they shall be given into his hand until a <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">time</b> and <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">times</b> and the <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">dividing of time</b>.’<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>I don’t know how you can read that with a straight face and not see the introduction of Daylight Savings Time as part of the engine that’s driving End Times events.”</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">In these Last Days, conscientious Christians must make a difficult choice about whether to follow <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Babylon</city></place>, or to change their clocks.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Indeed the stakes are high for all those who are not self</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">employed or retired.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Generally, though, pastors have been silent on the issue.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But not all.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">Pastor Tim Bayly of Clearnote Fellowship in <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Bloomington</city>, <state w:st="on">Indiana</state></place>, a Reformed congregation known for its strong counter</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">cultural stances, has yet to preach directly on the issue from the pulpit</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">;</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;"> however, that’s not to say that the issue hasn’t come up in the course of pastoral counseling.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">“I have people come to me and they ask me whether they should spring forward and change their clocks. And I just look at them. And I say</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">:</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;"> That’s not my decision to make but here are some principles</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">;</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">and I would <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">hope</i> —that by the time I was done they would finally have the freedom to make a decision.”</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">Elsewhere in the <country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">U.S.</place></country-region>, however, the issue of Daylight Savings Time’s unsavory origins is flying below the radar screen in most places. In a time when almost anything unpalatable on the Evangelical horizon can be blamed on corrupt Bible translations, Peter Ruckman, the 91</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">year</span><span style="font-size: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">-</span></span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">old founder of the Pensacola Bible Insitute and a staunch King James–only activist, </span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">isn’t missing a beat. He points to ignorance of Daylight Savings Time’s origins as just another example of the superiority of the King James translation. </span><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">“This is why the King James translation is so important.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>It’s the only translation that faithfully renders the concept of Daylight’s Savings Time.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">Apologist James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries—an erstwhile debate opponent of Ruckman’s—also rejects Daylight Savings Time, but not because of its pagan origins—it’s because he lives in <state w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Arizona</place></state>. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“We don’t mess with our clocks,” he said.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“The rest of the world can do it, that’s fine.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But we choose to remain consistent. And in this regard, we’re like Athanasius—<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">contra mundum</i>.” </span></div>
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<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Century; font-size: 16pt;">ABOUT THE AUTHOR <br /><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Bronwyn Turnbull is Founder and CEO of the Clockman on the Wall Fellowship of Discerning Christian Bloggers.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>She lived in <state w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Indiana</place></state> for four years in the 1990s, where she enjoyed the freedom of not having to change her clocks.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>You can contact Mrs. Turnbull at <a href="mailto:turnbrown@live.com">turnbrown@live.com</a></i></span></b><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">In what many are claiming is a transparent effort to deflect attention from a recent controversy over his cozying-up to the Muslim community, Purpose-Driven Pastor Rick Warren has come forward to announce that his ministry horizons are far wider than anyone could have ever imagined.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> “Psalm 8 says that the Earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof,” said <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city> in a video message addressed to supporters. “I am here to proclaim to you today that the fullness spoken of in the Psalter is about to take on unprecedented meaning.” </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> Unveiling an ambitious program to extend the hand of fellowship well beyond the Van Allen radiation belts, “<country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">America</place></country-region>’s pastor” has revealed that he has been in contact with extraterrestrial intelligence in an effort to spread the Gospel.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> “I think the big lesson here is: it’s not all about <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">your</i> galaxy,” said <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Accordingly, the mega-pastor’s well-known Global Peace Plan, or “Peace Plan 3.0,” </span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></div>
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<span style="color: #222222; font-family: Constantia; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 105%; mso-bidi-font-family: Times; mso-bidi-font-size: 16.0pt;">Using communications technologies now limited to the U.S. military, a series of intergalactic, interfaith conferences will be scheduled, beginning in 2015, with an ad hoc coalition of 42 human-like civilizations, largely but not exclusively located within the Milky Way Galaxy. <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on"><city w:st="on"><place w:st="on"><city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city></place></city></place></city> claims God has been preparing him for this ministry operation for several decades, and that the sources he’s been studying in preparation for the event are centuries in the making. “You know I’ve read the complete works of Jonathan Edwards—<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">in order</i>—and you just <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">know</i> that he was open to extraterrestrial life. After all, he was living and working in what was then a <place w:st="on"><place w:st="on"><place w:st="on">New World</place></place></place>, so how could he not have been open to the possibility of new worlds elsewhere—as in outside the planetary realm? Plus, the word ‘alien’ appears in his works forty-two separate times. That should tell you something.” When pressed, however, <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on"><city w:st="on"><place w:st="on"><city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city></place></city></place></city> appears to have a difficult time deciding which is more of a marvel: the rapid advance of technology that will make this event possible, or his own scholarship and magnanimity. “A conservative estimate among astronomers is that we’ve only mapped out about 9% of what is known to be the universe. That leaves 91% unmapped —which corresponds precisely to the 91% of our income that Kay and I give away,” <place w:st="on"><country-region w:st="on"><country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on"><country-region w:st="on"><place w:st="on">America</country-region></place></place></country-region></place></country-region>’s pastor added superfluously.</span><span style="color: #222222; font-family: Constantia; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 105%; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 16.0pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> In other quarters, Rev. Warren’s motivations are being viewed with considerable suspicion. “This is a NASA-sized smoke screen and nothing else,” says blogger Creed Gottschalk of GotCreed.com, a Christian discernment web site. “He’s just trying to take the heat off the Kingsway document. The chances that this is for real are about as likely as the space shuttle falling out of the sky and taking out one the many campus buildings at Saddleback,” Gottschalk said.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“I don’t think he’s even seen <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Star Wars</i>.” </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;">1999 movie </span></strong></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong><em>Galaxy Quest</em>, </strong></span><strong><span style="font-family: Arial;">starring Tim Allen (above, right), </span></strong></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Kingsway</i> refers to a recently-surfaced—then quickly <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">submerged</i>—“historic inter-faith <span style="color: black;">document,” co-authored by <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>’s Saddleback congregation and the Islamic Center of Southern California.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>By some accounts, the document purports to claim that Muslims and Christians worship the same God, and possibly contains an agreement by Saddleback not to evangelize Muslims, information which sent the Christian discernment blogosphere into overdrive. <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city> denied some of the allegations, blaming sloppy reporting by journalist Jim Hinch of the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Orange County Register</i>. However, discussions between Hinch and discernment blogger Ken Silva suggest that the content of the Kingsway document—which has not been made fully public—was accurately reported by Hinch. </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>This is not <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>’s first tussle with bloggers and apologists who claim that they represent orthodox views of the historic Christian faith—and that he does not.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“He just keeps stepping in it deeper and deeper every time,” said GotCreed’s Gottschalk.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“That he now feels the need to make up space aliens seems just about right.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Chris Rosebrough, of Pirate Christian Radio, suggested in a Wisconsin-based terrestrial radio interview last week what <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city> needs to do to extricate himself from this controversy. “He needs to quit with the fuzzy, evasive, non-theological, non-biblical definitions and give us something hard theologically as far as the definitions are concerned, and put to rest this idea that they’re promoting some kind of common ground based on Muslims and Christians worshipping the same God.”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong> </strong></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><strong>think this may be Rick Warren's real target.</strong></span></td></tr>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> While his interest in and involvement with the extraterrestrial goes back a number of years, careful observers of his more recent statements would have detected clues of his extra-heavenly yearnings. “When I want to pray, my thoughts want to float away,” <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city> told the 2010 Desiring God Conference by video.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Apparently, <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>’s thoughts had been floating away to distances measurable only in light years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> In the late 1980s, a brief stint as chaplain at the U.S. military’s NORAD defense facility, located somewhere in the Rocky Mountains—at least, that’s what the government wants you to think—whetted Warren’s taste for space evangelism.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>A scientific breakthrough—to which <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>, as chaplain, was privy—came when astronomers discovered that radio signals from the 1920s were starting to bounce back in the direction of Earth. At first they thought these were fluke deflections from medium-to-large sized stars with exaggerrated magnetic fields.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>But astronomers were less convinced of their original hypothesis when signals started coming back accompanied by mathematical coding which was interpreted as </span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">a request for clarification, according to forensic astrolinguists.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> “Apparently they were receiving transmissions of sermons by Aimee Semple McPherson and couldn’t believe what they were hearing,” explained astronomer Giaco Pastorini of the <place w:st="on"><placetype w:st="on">University</placetype> of <placename w:st="on">St. Hubbins Observatory</placename></place> in the Italian West Indies, and a former NASA employee.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“Chaplain Warren took it upon himself to explain systematic theology to the astrolinguists, who then relayed the information back into outer space.” </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%;">Warren’s first direct contact with the extraterrestrial community originated with the Thermian Federation, a civilization very similar to that found on Earth, situated in the Horsehead Nebula Region, <span style="color: black;">part of the optical nebula 1C434, which sits at a distance of 400 parsecs (1,300 light-years) from our Sun. </span></span><span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;">Film enthusiasts may recall a previous brush with the Thermians via the 1999 movie <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Galaxy Quest</i>, starring Tim Allen, in which actors in a science fiction series are approached by representatives from an alien civilization, who have viewed the program and believe its content to be real.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>The Thermians recruit Allen’s character and his crew in order to fend off an attack by a rival group of aliens which, if successful, would be fatal to their civilization. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> What few people outside the Ufological community realize is that the Thermians are, in fact, real; that the events depicted in the film are real; and that the whole project amounted to a massive public misinformation campaign—an attempt to divert the attention of Ufological investigators who were getting dangerously close to the truth in the mid- to late-1990s.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Speculation that the Tim Allen character is actually based on Rick Warren has not been confirmed.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 102%; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"> Though many discernment bloggers seem certain that <city w:st="on">Warren</city>’s newly transpired intergalactic interests are a diversionary tactic, some have speculated that <city w:st="on"><place w:st="on">Warren</place></city>’s real motivation is to target the Planet Kolob, a close neighbor to the Thermians, and thought to be the origin of Mormon civilization. “I say, ‘Good on him,’” said blogger Art Stufflegriffin of <place w:st="on"><city w:st="on">Timaru</city>, <country-region w:st="on">New Zealand</country-region></place>, proprietor of ApostatePlanet.net.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>“We can correct their thinking—right at the source—and just nip this thing in the bud.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>She’ll be right.” </span></div>
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